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Will Pakistan and India always be rivals?

Indians and Pakistanis have been rivals ever since partition in 1947. By Indian of course I mean the North Indian Hindu who reacts to all Pakistanis as if they’re collectively responsible for all the rapes which have taken place in India since time began. South Indian Hindus are definitely more cultured and civilized than their northern counterparts. I don’t know the reason for this, although I believe they are the original inhabitants of the subcontinent.

If it hadn’t been for the waves of Aryan (and later Muslim) invasions from Central Asia, the demographics of the region would have been different. Pakistanis (being almost entirely Muslim) are hostile towards Indian Hindus because the latter are responsible for most of the problems they face. It all started with the invasion of Kashmir, Junagadh and Hyderabad. The ruler of Junagadh wanted to join Pakistan, while the ruler of Hyderabad (a country the size of France) wanted independence from India. In Kashmir, the Hindu ruler wanted independence, but seeing that the people wanted to join Pakistan, he invited India to save his skin (later it turned out that he signed the instrument of accession to India after Indian forces entered his palace).

Since these historical blunders by India (which has never really accepted the reality of Pakistan), there has been no peace in the subcontinent. In 1971, India invaded East Pakistan and succeeded in dismembering the country. In this, of course, India was ably assisted by the late Z. A. Bhutto, who later nationalized industry and education, and is today thought by many in Pakistan to have been an Indian agent. Both Pakistanis and Indians now regard each other as arch-villains and it will take decades (if ever) for them to live like good neighbours.

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20 responses to “Will Pakistan and India always be rivals?”

  1. Hend Avatar
    Hend

    Shakir: I feel pity for you because you are stuck like a old record. You keep asking the same question and then you wonder why you get the same answer. By the way your avoiding to answer any of my questions has not gone unnoticed.

    India has had a democratic government for 60 years. Pakistan has had a series of military coups, dictatorships, alternating with exmeriments of failed governments and feats of religious eczema. Who is a more likely candidate to have grown up under propaganda and lies? The fact that almost every country in the world except a few of equal notoriety, regards Pakistan with suspicion and abhorrence should have raised atleast some bare minimum questions in your mind or maybe the whole world is in some join conspiracy, huh?

    Unfortunately for you, I can clearly see your remourse in your mind. You seem to be spending your life in trying to convince yourself about your parents decision to leave India and you cannot find peace unless somehow you force yourself to believe it. Sadly that is not happening for you.

    Please don’t blame me, blame your parents for backing the wrong horse.

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  2. Eraj Danish Avatar
    Eraj Danish

    The peace journey aman ki asha is a good movement. More movements such as this should be initiated. Despite of our history and geographic locations I believe that people in both the country are peace loving and can live peacefully. Just imagine the amount of budget we invest in our defense against India. If we have peaceful relations we could well utilize that in secotrs such as education and poverty.

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  3. Shakir Lakhani Avatar
    Shakir Lakhani

    Hend: you must’ve been a parrot in your previous life. You keep repeating ad nauseum the lies that your government spews out every now and then. If Kahmiris don’t want independence or accession to join Pakistan, why don’t you hold a referendum to decide the issue, as per UN resolutions? Why are you holding on to Arunachal Pradesh (despite it being a part of China?). As for discriminatory treatment of Mohajirs, it’s all in your mind. Finally, do something about the desperate shortage of toilets in India. Where do you go when you want to relieve yourself?

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  4. Hend Avatar
    Hend

    Pakistan has no locus standi in Indian J&K, it was never park of Pakistan in the first place. The PoK is something Pakistan acquired by naked aggression in violation of the terms agreed in 1947 based on the two nation theory, when the ruler of Kashmir opted for India.

    The accession was NOT under any precondition of plebiscite, you are inventing history here. Text of the instrument of accession is on the internet.

    Special status is an internal matter of India and was given because Kashmir joined under special circumstances under the threat of invasion by Pakistan. India should give special status to every state.

    Sheikh abdulla was a political leader and there is nothing wrong with we sending him to Pakistan to build the bridge of friendship as we have tried many times in the past. He was not there to negotiate anything with Pakistan. There is nothing more to it and your question is ridiculous and based on contrived conclusions and misinformation.

    Withdrawal of troops first by Pakistan is absolutely necessary because PoK was acquired by naked aggression and in violation of what Jinnah and Congress had signed on. This was a fundamental violation. Whereas J&K became part of India LEGALLY and not just the ruler but also the political leaders such as Sheikh Abdulla (who you mentioned earlier) had fully backed this assession.

    You have no legal case on Kashmir and PoK is illegal occupation.

    The whole Pakistani concept of having a popular support in J&K is misplaced. Even at the best of times for Pakistan, not more than 15% people would actually want to join it. Those for the liberation may be slightly higher maybe but when it comes to the crunch Kashmiris will always stand with India. Ask me, I have my roots there and I go there every year.

    It does not matter whether you can forget the nightmare of Kashmir or not, the way I see it is you have no choice.

    India will never give you any territory, if you are bent on screwing the future of your Punjabi ruled country over it then that is your choice.

    Stop having wet dreams.

    I want to know under what authority did Pakistan cede the territory of Aksai Chin to China?

    On what basis (artificial British line on map?) Pakistan occupies the North Western territories which actually belong to Afghanistan.

    Why is Pakistan suppressing the entire Baloch population, taking their resources, discriminating against them and occupying their land?

    Why are the Sindhis not being given freedom? Why are the Mohajirs being discriminated still and made to feel like outsiders?

    The whole problem is Pakistan has been behaving irresponsibly for many years. Has allowed itself to be used by various militant groups who run camps there and attack neighbouring countries. You can do it for another thousand years but it will not make any difference to India.

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  5. Shakir Lakhani Avatar
    Shakir Lakhani

    Why was a special status (Article 370-B) given to Indian-occupied Jammu & Kashmir? Why was Shaikh Abdulla, prime minister of Indian-occupied Kashmir, arrested when he demanded independence for his state (although his government had earlier agreed to accession of Kashmir to India on condition that the plebiscite would be held)? Finally, why was he sent by Nehru to Pakistan to negotiate the Kashmir dispute if it was considered to be part of India? (Nehru died while the shaikh was in Pakistan, by the way). As far as withdrawal of troops is concerned, it was supposed to be done by both India and Pakistan, not Pakistan alone. Finally, asking Pakistan to forget Kashmir is like asking Americans to forget 9/11. The wound is too deep to heal.

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  6. Hend Avatar
    Hend

    Shakir, you lose because your arguments lack the truth. The two nation theory was agreed to by both countries, there is no space for argument on Kashmir because the ruler of the pricely state of Kashmir opted to join India. Period. If you want to question this then we have to question the whole partition argument including formation of Kashmir.

    Secondly the plebiscite was agreed in UN strictly under condition that Pakistan has to withdraw to pre-1947 border. Pakistan never kept its commitment hence plebiscite did not take place.

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  7. Shakir Lakhani Avatar
    Shakir Lakhani

    Sandy: India held a plebiscite in Junagadh because it knew that the Hindus would vote to join Indial. But Kashmir (with 90% Muslim population) was denied a plebiscite, although India had pledged to do so in the U.N. Hyderabad did not want to join either Pakistan or India, it wanted independence, but India-that great secular democracy-captured it in 1948. You say that Hindus and Muslims in pre-partition India were living for centuries with bonhomie. Not true. Where I was born (Indian Gujarat), restaurants used to have two kinds of signs. In some, it was “Muslims and dogs not allowed”, in others “Muslims not allowed”. If that is bonhomie, you apply to the Oxford Dictionary management for re-defining it!

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  8. Sandy Avatar
    Sandy

    Junagarh was more than 100 kms from Pakistan and was connected ony by Sea. It had 80% hindu population.

    Hyderabad was again roughtly 80% Hindu and again not connected to Pakistan directly. Kashmir was only 53% Muslim and had a Hindu ruler. If Junagarh and Hyderabad were eligible to be part of Pakistan, then how is Kashmir not eligible. How come this talk of self determination.

    Btw Pakistan Army continues to rule and Pakis dont themselves have any self determination. Pakistan army personel were ordered to burn their war diaries in 1965. Later on without any alternate version they claimed that they had defeated India in 1965 war.

    After 1971 War, an enquiry commision was formed in Pak to investigate. Its findings were never made public and conspiracy theories demonizing India were promoted.

    In 1999, Pakis captured Kargil without any provocation.

    And lastly, let me clear one basic doubt of yours. First generation Indians may not have agreed with the concept of Pakistan. They had lived for centuries with bonhomie so it was understandable. But the present generation, that is the third generation Indians are more than happy to have got rid of the people particularly after what all is happening there today. We just wish to live here peacefully.

    But thats does not seems to be the case as Pak Army continues with its policy of terrorism. Moreover, ordinary Pakis continue to be fed with constant conspiracy theories and their false pride of 1000 yrs. Just get your facts correct before writing such articles.

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  10. Hend Avatar
    Hend

    Your theory is,
    1. wherever Muslims are in majority those parts should belong to Pakistan
    2. wherever once Muslim rulers ruled those parts should also go to Pakistan.
    3. wherever once Muslims were in majority should aoso go to Pakistan

    Now use the exactly same flawed logic of yours, the other way (Hindu) to understand why the same parts should go to India. History of the world is old and did not start with the advent of Islam which is too recent.

    Now get out of 1947 partition syndrome. It is you who seem to be unable to accept the realities. Stop having wet dreams and stay inside your small border.

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