Why Indians and Pakistanis fight each other and how to bridge the gap?

In the comments section of every blog and youtube video, and in chatrooms, I notice something in common. There is always a war on between an Indian and a Pakistani. Although comments stay within limits on blogs, chatrooms and the comments section in youtube is filled with all kinds of vulgarities and the filthiest, most abusive language you can imagine.

On blogs, Muslims have nothing better to do than call Hindus cow worshippers and Hindus have nothing better to do than call Islam an oppressive religion. On youtube and in chatrooms, well, I don’t even want to talk about it.

There are so many similarities that I sometimes wonder what Hindus and Muslims fight about. Both India and Pakistan have corrupt leaders, eve teasers, black magicians, fraud, corruption, prostitution, AIDS, beggars, poverty, rich misers, backbiters, murderers, rapists, honor killings, dowry customs, wife beaters, child abusers…phew!

What are we fighting about?

Hey, I forgot one similarity. That of the after effects of an India-Pakistan cricket match. When Pakistan wins, Indians break their TV sets. When India wins, Pakistanis break their TV sets. I was wondering what happens if an Indian is married to a Pakistani. In such a case, regardless of who wins, the TV set will end broken!

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55 Responses to Why Indians and Pakistanis fight each other and how to bridge the gap?

  1. Mohammad Yusha February 13, 2010 at 7:53 pm #

    Ashfaq: Do you think that simply having a different religion and things that happened in the past are reasons good enough to continue fighting today.

  2. Mohammad Yusha February 13, 2010 at 7:50 pm #

    Ashfaq: You write comments telling us the reasons for fighting and at the end you say, “why india and pakistan fighting…no one have answer.”

    So what was your lame comment all about?

  3. Ashfaq February 13, 2010 at 5:13 pm #

    if some one know the difference what is Hindu and what Muslim means sure he will not ask this silly question or topic.
    if some one understand why millions of peoples migrated in 1947 he will understand the reason of fight between india and pakistan.
    if still need the reason of fight see the drying and dying agriculture fields due to lack of water.
    if some ones memory is alive he should not ask the reason of fight , when Babry Mosque is demolished.
    if someone know why 200,000 Sikhs killed in just 10 years one million Muslims killed just in few years, and thousands of Christians killed in past few years by dominated Hindu junta , if some one know the reason of creating Bangladesh? if some one tell me why didnt self determination given to kashmir, manawadar, hydrabad dakan, rajastan, assam, nagaland, why they are not human beings?
    last but not least why behari and other states peoples cant enter to bombay for jobs?
    these all are silly questions why india and pakistan fighting…
    no one have answer, why india diverted rivers in kashmir.
    now pakistan is a independent country, and a Nuclear power india and all word have to accept it no return way at all

  4. Faisal February 13, 2010 at 10:25 am #

    actually india & pakistan fight because of their politicians. these people dont want us to meet. they do not give visas to each other. even if a pakistani go there they treat very bad. come on for God sake we people have to stop it, the world thing that we hate each other, we have to prove this thing wrong, we love each other. but it looks really difficult because of these politicians.

  5. arshid February 10, 2010 at 6:16 pm #

    nothing goes wrong against people yes its true that people of pakistan and india are not tolerating each other but it is the responsibility of governments on both sides to find opportunities to change their public behaviour against each other. if any thing happens wrong in any country governments of both countries start blame game and this results hatered in the hearts of public. they realize that the government is true in saying. we should respect each other policies and avoid such statements that harms our public feelings. we should find opportunities of trade between two countries the public should discourage their respective governments if they start blame without jumping into conclusion

  6. Mohamed November 28, 2009 at 9:34 pm #

    On the Tamil problem in Sri Lanka I agree with Hend a hundred percent, and was very certain, when LTTE was crushed that this problem will relapse again in the future hitting the Sinhalese in the face again.

    This is because the Sinhalese do not have a plan and the willingness to implement one, of integrating Tamils into the mainstream. As long as injustice remains, rebellion will not go away.

    The prophet of Allah may peace & blessings of Allah be on him said, a nation (or society) declines when injustice prevails. Allah blesses nations (Muslim or Non-Muslim) as long as largely justice prevails, this is the sunnah (law) of Allah. When largely justice system starts failing, other corruption become common, eventually the society fails and falls into the hands of those who can do better job than the previous ones. This law of Allah is irrespective of the religion of the people, whether Muslim or Non-Muslim:

    But nay! I swear by the Lord of all (the three hundred and sixty) points of sunrise and sunset in the east and the west that surely We are able to Substitute them for better (people) than they; And We are not to be defeated (in Our Plan).
    Translation of the Glorious Qur’an 70:40-41

    O you who believe! Stand out firmly for justice as witnesses to Allah, even as against yourselves, or your parents, or you’re near relatives, and whether it be against rich or poor. For Allah can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (of your hearts), lest you swerve (from doing justice), and if you distort (justice) or decline to do justice, surely Allah is well-acquainted with all that you do.
    Translation of the Glorious Qur’an 4:135

    If Allah were to punish men according to what they deserve. He would not leave on the back of the (earth) a single living creature: but He gives them respite for a stated Term: when their Term expires, verily Allah has in His sight all His Servants.
    Translation of the Glorious Qur’an – 35:43-45

  7. Lt. General Ayub Khan November 23, 2009 at 9:49 pm #

    either way, we dont need friendship with india

    we have nothing to gain from capitulating and extending hand of friendship. indians are back-stabbers and two-faced people.
    There are exceptions of course

    we have seen their behaviour in past year or so. Neither the environment nor the present realities are conducive for any sort of “composite dialogue”

    of course that can change when both sides allow Kashmiris to seek their existential right to self determination and the area is de-militarized.

  8. confused indian November 23, 2009 at 3:52 pm #

    see what other rational pakistani site are saying.

  9. Hend November 21, 2009 at 9:00 pm #

    SL

    You just picked a sentence selective when the whole point I am making is both countries are doing it. Anyway I think you got the point but are just trying to win an argument. Chill.

    Lt.Gen.

    Whether India is supporting terrorists is a matter of conjecture and I am quite open minded to accept the possibility but only because I am convinced that this is a old game between the two countries, it is not one way street. We the people of both countries need to realize that it is not going to stop unless both countries change their mindsets. This will require giving up long held political postures and demands on both sides. Without a compromise this will not change and it will happen when the value of it goes above the value of conflict.

  10. Shakir Lakhani November 21, 2009 at 6:39 pm #

    @ Hend:”it is highly possbile that India is using these to forment trouble in Pakistan, Sindh and Balochistan”. So that ends the argument. This is what we’ve been trying to convince you and other Indians (that India is supporting terrorists in Pakistan). By extension, why would India refrain from giving money to the Taliban (even though they’re not friendly with each other)? Haven’t you heard the saying, “My enemy’s enemy is my friend”? Since both the Taliban and India have a common aim (to destabilize Pakistan), why should we not assume that India is helping the Taliban financially?

  11. Lt. General Ayub Khan November 21, 2009 at 12:25 am #

    afghan taleban and “ttp” are 2 different entities. The latter has declared war against Pakistani state and civilians.

    indians are also supporting criminals in Baluchestan via its “consullates” in Afghanistan

    we are forgiving people in Pakistan, but we will never tolerate enemies trying to damage our country

    that’s a promise.

  12. Lt. General Ayub Khan November 21, 2009 at 12:13 am #

    Hend, with Friday having arrived — I can assure you that I am in good spirits, despite the hectic work schedule.

    I have family in Kurram Agency which has seeing some of the fighting, though it has been spared mostly because our tribesmen have never made it safe for anti-state elements to hide there.

    I am for a multi-pronged approach towards combatting militancy. Not just by military means alone. But the conflict in Pakistan is much different from the conflict that was taking place in Sri Lanka.

    We can go into further detail if you desire.

    Oh by the way, I live in Peshawar. Not Lahore.

  13. Hend November 21, 2009 at 12:02 am #

    SL

    Your reply is speculative, I would like a more concrete response from Lt.Gen.

    The allegation is that Taliban is backed by India so the question is simple, is there an alliance between India and Taliban? If so, explain how and why it happens when these two are supposed to be enemies of each other.

    What you have mentioned is more of a mercenary scenario based on money but does not indicate a direct alliance.

    Lastly I will reply to your question about the Indian consulates for the Nth time.

    Pakistan and India both regard Afghanistan strategically. One might say that Pakistan has misused Afghanistan more than India but let us not get into those things. Simple answer is whether India has 13 consulates or 100 is none of Pakistan’s business, it is a purely bilateral issue between Indian and Afghanistan but yes it is highly possbile that India is using these to forment trouble in Pakistan, Sindh and Balochistan.

    None of us should be surprised that Indian and Pakistani intelligence agencies are fully active against each other. Using un-uniformed militia, insurgents, funding terrorists, allowing training camps to exist, allowing terrorist organizations to function, not taking action against them, all these are part of what ISI and RAW activities and part of each other’s foreign policies.

    Having said this, is it good? No but if both countries are doing it then you should be to first ask yourself, your government and your military whether this game should continue, if the answer is yes then ofcourse it will continue from the other side too. So please do not feign ignorance for the N+1 time.

  14. Shakir Lakhani November 20, 2009 at 4:58 pm #

    @ Hens: India has thirteen consulates in Afghanistan (a country with which it does not share a border). Nor does Afghanistan have a large Indian-origin population (like, for instance, Mauritius or Fiji). So why so many consulates? And why does India need to pump 1.67 billion dollars every year into Afghanistan (despite 836 million Indians trying to survive on forty U.S. cents a day?). Obviously, part of the aid to Afghanistan is meant to destabilize Pakistan. I can only surmise how it’s done. I assume there are several intermediaries between the consulate staff and the terrorists. It’s like telling the mafia to kill someone (without caring how it’s done or who does it). Give the money to a mafia representative who in turn gives it to someone else, and so on and on, until the suicide bomber gets his payment before blowing people up.

  15. Hend November 19, 2009 at 9:56 pm #

    Lt.Gen

    You seem very unhappy, upset and hateful all the time ;) take it easy ol’ boy. We are talking of fellow humans…cheer up.

    We both agree when it comes to acting against anti-state elements but we probably differ on the method. I feel the methods adopted should not cause huge collateral damage to the population, not only it is wrong but will have more anti-state effect in the future. You may be originally from the tribal areas but you live in Lahore. If you were actually living in the affected areas in Pakistan or Sri Lanka and if the bombs were falling around you and your family then I am sure your views would be vastly different.

    Terrorists can spread to all areas and soon you would have to decide whether to bomb the whole country.

    The point I am trying to make is, aerial bombing of any areas and specially those occupied by minorities is seen as genocide. Anyone doing it or being a part of it needs to be very careful about the ethics and aftereffects of it.

    Most Indians are under the impression that Taliban is an enemy of India and India helping Taliban is not possible. Could you please elaborate your view and throw some light on the alleged nexus between the two…how it is possible or taking place and why and if there is any evidence etc.

  16. Lt. General Ayub Khan November 19, 2009 at 9:01 am #

    Hend – as an ethnic Pashtun — i would say I support the Armed Forces hitting any anti-state elements wherever they are hiding

    whether its Jandola or Southern Punjab.

    there will be peace when all the foreign militants are gone….and also when US forces withdraw from Afghanstan.

    this cannot be won only by military means. I am from these tribal areas. These are patriotic Pakistanis, but not enough investment in them is the problem.

    other problem is these goddam filthy indians……they are also arming anti state elements. But now fortifications and counters are in place.

    its only a matter of time

    ;) ;)

  17. Hend November 17, 2009 at 7:38 pm #

    Lt.Gen

    Agreed that Taliban is bad but would you support aerial bombing of Pashtun populated areas just to defeat the Taliban? I would not, the collateral damage will be huge, its a crime against humanity.

    The only way and the right way is ground offensive, though hard and more military casualties.

    Strategically aerial bombing will turn a large population against their own govt and country specially in a multi ethnic multi cultural country.

    When a foreign country takes part in a local ethnic conflict, they are taking sides which can have long term negative effects. Treating 4 million Tamils as terrorists will not strengthen SL in the long term, it will ruin the reconciliation process.

    We already have such bad history in this sub continent and that is why there is so much enmity between different ethnicities, there is no need to create more. I hope you are getting my point, it is not about LTTE or winning, it is about population.

  18. Hend November 17, 2009 at 7:29 pm #

    SL Lt.Gen

    Which elements in India are you talking about supporting LTTE? Some rogue anti-India and anti-Hindu people like vaiko and Karunanidhi? If LTTE had succeeded in dividing SL then that would have weakened India and dravid oriented Tamilnadu elements would have started the same in India.

    India is actually benefitting from defeat of LTTE without having to do the real dirty work and giving political advantage to Tamil politicians. Read comments of Vaiko and Karunanidhi, hopefully you will gain some more incite about their anti-India and anti-Hindu stance, they were theo nly elements sympathetic to LTTE.

  19. Hend November 17, 2009 at 5:11 pm #

    SL

    My experience in Madras should not be taken as an example of how Tamils always behave. No. They are regarded as among the most brilliant brains in the world. The Indian Tamils are highly educated, no doubt. Maybe the way they treat outsiders in Madras is because of the way Hindi speaking north always tried to impose their language and culture on non Hindi people. I don’t hold any grudges. I have the highest love and respect for them.

    Tibet by no stretch of imagination is part of China, please get this right. China is in illegal occupation of Tibet. The question of Arunachal does not arise at all.

    You mentioned India bombing civilian areas in an Indo-Pak war. You actually vindicate my point. You can do aerial bombing in a WAR. BUT a country is never supposed to use aerial bombing on its own civilians, never. Use of largescale bombing of civilian areas against Tamils is clearly a care of genocide. I hope you understand the difference. There the help from China and Pakistan in doing this is fundamentally immoral.

  20. Hend November 17, 2009 at 5:02 pm #

    Lt.Gen

    SL are you friends and that should mean all Sri Lankans including Tamil population. No one is doubting LTTE was bad.

    My argument is against the method used by aerial bombing of civilian areas of poor people.

    Supply of war planes, bombs and pilots was obviously to carry out a genocide of ethnic Tamilians.

    Even now millions of their own citizen Tamilians are in prison camps, every Tamil is a suspected LTTE according to SL govt and SL has 18% population as Tamils. What kind of govt SL has which holds such a large population as prisoners?….almost the same percentage as Muslims in India.

  21. confused indian November 17, 2009 at 1:30 pm #

    @ Lt. General Ayub Khan,

    you are reminding me niazi’s rhetoric before kicked by indian generals and subsequently surrendering to india.

  22. Shakir Lakhani November 17, 2009 at 10:34 am #

    Hend: you say, “Though even India accepted that Tibet is a part of China”, so why should I object to Chinese “occupation” of Tibet. Arunachal Pradesh is presently occupied by India because the British decided it (just as Mountbatten gave away Kashmir to India). And even though China penetrated deep into India (including Arunachal Pradesh), they withdrew because India suddenly turned to the U.S. for help (despite its long-standing policy of non-alignment).
    Sri Lanka: it’s well-known that India supported the Tamil Tigers initially (and Tamil politicians of India still do), so Sri Lanka was compelled to turn to China and Pakistan for help. As for not bombing civilian areas, India has done it when it attacked Pakistan in 1965 & 1971 (I escaped death by inches in the war of 1971).

  23. Shakir Lakhani November 17, 2009 at 9:37 am #

    @ Hend: I always thought South Indians (especially Madrasis) were different from those who live in other parts of India. In Karachi there are thousands of people whose parents came here from India. I had a boss who was from Madras and he was a genius (this was in 1969). He told me that the people of Madras are more educated than other Indians, they are gentler and help anyone who needs assistance. But judging from your experience, it seems he was wrong.

  24. Lt. General Ayub Khan November 17, 2009 at 3:47 am #

    The Sri Lankans are our brothers….always have been, always will be. We love them.

    Their enemy is our enemy. And it was elements in india (govt, military, civilian) which was arming the LTTE. There is documented proof on this.

    The LTTE has terrorized Sri Lankan island for 25 bloody years.

    india used to get extremely irritated that Sri Lankans were buying Pakistani and Chinese military equipment. We were sending 3-4 ships (on emergency basis) to Sri Lanka –full with defence equipments which came in handy for their fight against tamil terrorists.

    indian army chief even threatened sri lanka to stop taking cooperation from Pakistan — but Sri Lanka (and Pakistan) were pointing at indians and laughing at them to their faces.

    It is silly to compare taleban to LTTE. LTTE was an ethnic insurgency. ttp are merely just indian/anti-Pakistan funded militants. We are having the upper hand against them, though they are killing our women and children.

    Like i said, the enemy of our friend is also our enemy. And by God, we will always stand by Sri Lanka.

    Inshallah, ttp militants (regardless of their nationality) will join LTTE terrorists

    at the bottom of the indian bloody ocean……

    food for the fish!

  25. Hend November 17, 2009 at 2:56 am #

    Lt.Gen

    “Yes Hend. I am proud of the fact that they are drowned in Indian Ocean.
    in fact, i wish i could have participated too.”

    Long time ago, I had to visit Madras seven times for some business. By my last visit I was completely fed up. Fed up of the food, the place and the Tamil people. Since I looked different, the attitude was different.

    Once I met a guy from Rajasthan who was so fed up of the food, he said “Arre hum jiz cheez ki sabzi banate hai uss cheez ki yeh log daal banate hai aur jiss cheezki hum daal banate hai uski yeh log sabzi banate hai”.

    Business was ok but going out was difficult, people were not so helpful if you don’t look or speak Tamil. On more than one occasion people walked away or gave wrong directions. I don’t have positive opinion on Madras.

    I read somewhere that the Sinhala people of SL are a genetic cross between Tamils and Bengalis…but about 65% Tamil blood and 25% Bengali…basically they are also “those dravidian black tamil sons of * ” in your words.

    Ok now back to your comment….why?

  26. Hend November 17, 2009 at 2:35 am #

    Abbasi

    In the 80s, Rajeev had hosted a mediation between SL-Jayawardene and LTTE-Prabhakar after which he placed Prabhakaran under virtual arrest and put pressure on him to sign an accord. After this India placed the IPKF forces in SL against the LTTE. Prabhakar took revenge by blowing Rajeev and Congress became even more anti-LTTE.

    India was always against LTTE. Do not confuse some LTTE sympathizing comments out of Tamilnadu as Indian position. Those comments are for local consumption in TN where Tamil nationalism is always very strong.

    What India had to balance was their support for SL govt with ensuring that there was no largescale genocide. The reluctunce to help SL with ‘large’ weapons was because those would be used against the civilians. THIS exactly is what the SL government of Rajapakse brothers did.

    According to me whether you are Pakistani or Indian or anyone else, finally we have to remember that what they did was complete murder of civilians. You know what happens when a few drones are used in FATA, this was a no holds barred all out military assault on a civilian areas of the poorest segment of their country who live in kachcha houses, huts and dilapidated homes. An entire poverty stricken population treated like enemy in order to defeat a few LTTE?

    Put yourself in their shoes and think.

    Unfortunately the media in India, Pak and SL have completely ignored these aspects and toed their respective government lines…shame.

    You might be right in saying that the next target of Tamil nationalism would have been Tamilnadu. True, the word used by LTTE ‘Elam’ when used in a broad sense includes not just Tamils but all the related ethnic groups from SL right up to Iraq like Brahvis and Elamites too.

    That being said, we must not allow our fears, our greed or our frienships to compromize our judgment.

  27. Lt. General Ayub Khan November 17, 2009 at 1:50 am #

    Yes Hend. I am proud of the fact that they are drowned in Indian Ocean.

    in fact, i wish i could have participated too.

  28. Hend November 16, 2009 at 11:21 pm #

    Lt.Gen.

    I am oppose terrorist groups like LTTE but I think I know when I see right from wrong. The majority of Tamils in SL are probably the poorest and labourer class.

    Sri Lanka has barely 4 million Tamils and nearly all of them are in concentration camp like conditions. Their hutments/ houses were bombarded by SL govt and Pakistani pilots in Pakistani supplied planes, you are proud of what???

    Are you confusing SL Tamils with Indians? Was it a war between India and Pakistan?

    I am wondering if your last statement would have been the same if these civilians were largely Muslims. What is your quarrel with SL Tamils in being so low and personal?

  29. Hamid Majid Abbasi November 16, 2009 at 10:32 pm #

    @general & shakir
    indians ditched tamils in d middle for the fear that after their triumph the next demand will b of free tamil land in india also(tamil nadu)……………..

  30. Lt. General Ayub Khan November 16, 2009 at 10:12 pm #

    indians supported LTTE

    we provided defence equipments (including tanks, POF ammunition, mortar bombs, artillery shells, air craft, anti aircraft ammunition, and PAFs J-7PG pilots)

    so these confused 1.3 billion indians should sit down and put their heads down in defeated fashion.

    those dravidian black tamil sons of ***** are all on the floor of indian ocean =)

  31. Hend November 16, 2009 at 9:50 pm #

    Shakir sahab

    I will try to address some of the comments made by you.

    I don’t want to go into the Kashmir issue obviously because it will be a never ending debate but I will actually go into two other things which for me are more interesting. Sri Lankan Tamil issue and the Arunachal issue because it is linked to Tibet.

    Let me make it clear at the onset that my opinion is not the same as that of the Indian government.

    Sri Lanka
    It appears to me that you are not fully versed with the history of the conflict there because your position simply draws satisfaction and pride from the fact that Pakistan helped Sri Lanka with arms.

    This is not so simple as there is a long history about why it happened in the first place, which I recommend you read and then decide who is right or wrong. India did not help Sri Lankan Tamils, India in fact backed the their government. India placed Prabhakaran in a virtual house arrest to make him sign a one sided accord with Jayewardene. This resulted in their taking the revenge on Rajeev Gandhi and which resulted in LTTE becoming a sworn enemy of India. However the point I am about to make is not about all this.

    According to me the arms help by China and Pakistan to Rajapakse government was fundamentally immoral because Rajapakse brothers (murderers) engaged in aerial bombing of civilian areas. Remember here that India too has many insurgencies all accross but never, I repeat never has there been an aerial bombing of civilian areas. According to the UN conventions, arerial bombing is closer to genocide and a genocide results in giving a population the right to demand a separate country. If this is all too heavy for you, I am sorry but this is the way it is. After their so called victory the Srilankan government has placed almost 4 million Tamils in prison camps thus committing probably the worst human rights violations in decades. When some western countries tried to drag or condemn Sri Lanka for crimes against humanity, the immoral and greed driven countries of Asia including India, Pakistan and China foiled their attempts.

    By the way purported difference of opinion between India and Sri Lanka was based on supply of heavy arms which India refused to do not because India was pro LTTE but because of fear of those being used against civilian population which is what ultimately happened.

    I am not surprised that China exploited this opportunity by supplying fighter planes and ammunition in return for building a port. Chinese are not known for their conscience…they are modern day evil.

    I suggest you form your own opinion based on your conscience and faith religion and God, I leave it to you.

    Tibet/ Arunachal
    I am actually surprised that you support China in this because if anything, Tibet is a far simpler case for liberation than Kashmir.

    Do read the history of Tibet and the basis of Chinese claims. Though even India accepted that Tiber is a part of China, fundamentally it is an illegal occupation simply based on imperial claims.

    The closest analogy I can come up is, Obama claiming Iraq to be a part of USA because it was ruled in the past by G.W.Bush, and then Obama claiming Pakhtunkhwa parts of Pakistan because they are kind of ‘east Afghanistan’.

    The communist Chinese claim on Tibet is in short above and their claim on Arunachal is like the Pakhtunkhwa example.

    On one hand you have the Kashmir example which is far more complex but on the other hand you turn accept the Chinese claim on Tibet which is as simple an example you can get of illegal occupation as you can get. I can understand that China is a friend of Pakistan and your government has to agree with the Chinese policies but I think on a personal level you need to go more with your conscience and sense of justice.

  32. Hamid Majid Abbasi November 16, 2009 at 6:16 pm #

    @confused
    ur comander to end d game for pakistan………..hehe dats wat we have heard…….I mean dats d furstration when many time smaller enemy gets into ur nerves………..happens its natural……..
    u lost impatience in 98 though u were intrested in “Dil Se” back than………after exploding nuclear devices it seemed that we were counting our days…………hehe only to start a roll back very soon…….
    nd kasab………..well ur media was aware of him nd his village even before the showdown in taj ended………..ofcourse in d league of “gustapos” pakistani cannot surpass u……….
    nd yeah……….we have a practical disaster initiated in our land by outside forces as i write dis……….b careful dat americans r very gud at adopting stray souls……….bt a repay time is around the corner…….
    amen

  33. confused indian November 16, 2009 at 2:49 pm #

    @ skakir,

    so you have relatives in nepal, srilanka and bangladesh too!

    what they do? repair motorcycle? collect kabad? teach in madarsha? print fake indian currency? or do hawala transaction?

  34. confused indian November 16, 2009 at 1:30 pm #

    @ hamid

    pick up few point from your comment, which i would like to explain.

    first about tolrance, we have tolrated are tolrating too much. from 80s sikh edisode to mumbai carnage. and indian HM and army chief are just showing indians impatience by saying that mumbai is just beginning of end game for pakistan. ( i am hearing word amen)

    how about comparing sarabit (only catch for pakistan) and ajmal kasab (just one of them).
    do you know where they are caught, how they are caught, what they were possessing, what they have done. to enlighten chowrangi readers that ajmal was caught red handed (even have cctv footage) killing innocent people in india’s financial capital called mumbai, circa 29 november 2008.

    and sarabjit was caught in india-pak border with ??? (can’t find information), circa august 1990. even key witness retracts statement.

    u can cry for 26/11 and we can give u a whole dictionary of dis
    defy your PM and show evidence like kasab.

    sorry to say, when time comes pakistani who level false charges, hide in a bunker saving themselves. skakir hasn’t responded on hindu conversion, not even produce that lost article. lt. gen. even don’t know what kashmir issue is? but they will again post same matter, thinks that chowrangi readers are moron, but we are not.

  35. Shakir Lakhani November 16, 2009 at 11:26 am #

    @ confused: India has admitted supporting Tamil Tigers and also interfering in Sri Lankan affairs (Pakistan gave weapons to Sri Lanka to fight the rebels). The people of Nepal hate India more than Pakistanis do. If you don’t agree, go to Nepal and find out for yourself. With Bangladesh, it’s the same old problem: river water diversion by India. Whenever there’s a cricket match between India and Pakistan in Bangladesh, the crowd always cheers for Pakistan. Right now, the Bangladesh Government may be allies of India (but the people hate India).

  36. Hamid Majid Abbasi November 15, 2009 at 9:24 pm #

    @confused & abheek
    well this is no love hate situation………..no1 in pakistan has taught us to love indian and i m more dan sure dat dis is the same happening on ur side…………..the key lies in “tolerance”…………….we have to tolerate each other existence…….dis blame game is 1 thing which we have played on every level………
    u can cry for 26/11 and we can give u a whole dictionary of dis………….evidence for heaven sake its all about openiing the eyes…………ISI does the same what RAW is doing in Pakistan and i believe there shouldnt be any argument coz dey r made for this reason………kashmir singh reachd dere 2 reveal his achievements while sarbajeet is singing here ur well wishes………………nd wid no surprise d same stories will be available on ur side………………..
    kashmir is and will be the real point………………its explosive power has dies down a bit but not the logical question which is still unanswered?
    nd by d way as per ur state papers d biggest threat to india rite nw is the “moist rebels”…………..well i hope u hav a proof dat it is also funded by ISI?

  37. Mohamed November 15, 2009 at 7:44 pm #

    What divides Indians and Pakistanis is much akin to racist hate, it is but nothing less.

  38. confused indian November 15, 2009 at 4:28 pm #

    @ Lt. General Ayub Khan,

    the issue of Kashmir is still a bone of contention

    how? please brainwash us with your thought.

  39. confused indian November 15, 2009 at 1:29 pm #

    @ Shakir,

    Why does India have bad relations with Sri Lanka, Nepal and Bangladesh?

    how you learn that? from your relatives who live in india?

    by the way, do you have cordial relation with your other neighbors like afghanistan and iran? then why some irani officials directly alleging that pakistan was behind the sistan-baluchestan suicide attack? and afganistan ambassador in america saying that isi is behind recent attack on indian embassy, kabal?

    i have never heard this kind of allegation leveled by nepal, srilanka, bangladesh or even china towards india. i don’t know about your relatives. have they?

  40. Shakir Lakhani November 15, 2009 at 12:19 am #

    @ Abheek: there was no ISI when India invaded Kashmir, Junagadh and Hyderabad. When the U.N. asked that a plebiscite be held to determine the future of J&K, India refused to do so. Why does India have bad relations with Sri Lanka, Nepal, China and Bangladesh? All India has to do is to withdraw from Kashmir, give Arunachal Pradesh to China, stop interfering in Nepal, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka, and there will be peace in the region. We Pakistanis are not brainwashed, and neither are the Nepalese, or Chinese, or Sri Lankans/Bangladeshis.

  41. Lt. General Ayub Khan November 14, 2009 at 11:26 pm #

    no you indians are just overly-dramatic, overly-emotional people.

    cat’s paw and at the mercy of your media. Learn to think pragmatically and less using emotions.

    Pakistan is here to stay, and you hindustanys better learn to accept this reality. Armed Forces are protectors of the nation.

    indians fail to offer plebicite to occupied Kashmiris, and that is why they rebel; india knows that she is losing her artificial grip on Kashmir

    just look at Sri Nagar, where the qaum are pro-Pakistan and they HATE india more than we do! :)

  42. Abheek November 14, 2009 at 7:12 pm #

    As an Indian, let me put my thoughts down .. I hope you will publish these.
    Why Indians hate Pakistanis is due to the constant ill-will that your nation (or Army) has towards us. In every terrorist attack that has happened, ISI/LeT/Pak Military hand can be traced. Now the question that should be asked is why does a Pakistani gives into violence so easily, especially against India? The reason is that you guys have been brain-washed to hate us. From the comments that I have read here and other forums, the voice that comes out is same – India is somehow responsible for the miserable state that Pakistan is in. And this is stupid, to say the least.
    Your information is regulated by the big boss in your country – the Army. They spread lies and distort truth – I can give n number of examples – All wars have been started by Pakistan – including Kargil . But what you are taught is that India is the aggressor. You are told that arms that have been caught from TTP are of Indian make – any independent third party observer with knowledge of arms can tell you that this is a lie – India doesn’t produce the type of armament that has been found from TTP. Again you are told that India is behind the bomb blast in recent history. Could you think for a while on this charge – Why would we team up with someone who has decleared their enemity towards us (TTP ex-chief Baitullaha Mehsud had made his intentions clear after 26/11 attack – to help Pak Army, in case India invades)
    Thus your Army has successfully created hate-pschyosis towards us – All based on lies. And where their is hate goodwill cant exist. All this – to meet their narrow ends – that of being in power – If there is peace between India and Pak – they are the people to loose the most. It is said that a nation has army. But in your case, it is army controlling a nation.
    Now think by putting yourself in our shoes – I am from Mumbai – on 26/11 we lost 186 of our bretherns to your scheming men in uniform. What was our fault. I can take you one step back. 11th July 2006 – 206 of our brethern were killed by bomb blasts that were carried out by ISI. And you can go back and back and you will realize that as an Indian it is impossible to excuse the brutality of ISI / Pak Army. They know they can’t win a straight war with us – so thousand cut policy is what they are employing.
    All this has created hatered in the mind of common Indian towards Pakistan.

  43. Shakir Lakhani November 14, 2009 at 3:51 pm #

    @ Hend: someone once told me that the Kashmir dispute was planned by the British before granting independence, so that the two countries would always be at war and dependent upon foreign powers for arms. But you must remember that if India hadn’t been a bully and had left the Kashmir issue to be decided in terms of the U.N Resolution, Pakistan and India would have been friends and instead of China, India would have had access to the Pakistan market.

  44. Lt. General Ayub Khan November 14, 2009 at 12:17 am #

    the issue of Kashmir is still a bone of contention

    i think it is mostly indian media which brainwashes its people with anti-Pakistan sentiment –but then again media is just business.

    we dont need to be friends with india…..but we should just focus on ourselves and stop wasting our time with them. We have nothing to gain from them, so dafa karo!

  45. Hend November 14, 2009 at 12:17 am #

    haider

    my intention was not to say that you learn the wrong history and we learn the right history. all of my comments apply to both the parties.

    i don’t want to challenge your comments or those of Lakhani Sahab though i could on every line; simply because these actually highlight the various reasons i noted.

    all i can say is,
    we know very little but we think it is all there is to know.
    the truth no longer suites either.
    indian and pakistani people are too emotional, too petty, too hateful and too communal and this will continue to hinder their progress, their rational – logical thinking and they will continue to make the mistakes which benefit foreigners.

    MY

    thanks.

  46. Mohammad Yusha November 13, 2009 at 10:08 pm #

    @Haider: If some misguided Hindus and Muslims are creating havoc due to personal and political reasons, there is no reason the average Hindu and Muslim should hate each other.

  47. haider November 13, 2009 at 4:52 pm #

    @hend we have been taught the right history and it speaks for its rightness as we can see from our own eyes the attitude of indians towards us Shakid Lakhani rightly said if you read his points that how india is blocking the rivers @Yusha if u r indian pro and go and live in india but dont expect us to show sympathy for them they are our open enemy no matter how much education you provide us. you know Satan is very knowledgeable but still he is a Satan because he never accept his fault and keep arguing thats the story with India and we can see from our open eyes now a days.

  48. haider November 13, 2009 at 4:44 pm #

    @yusha you better read the history how Indians with the help of Angrez deprived muslims of so many rights and tried to oppress them and just read what Quaid-e-azam told us. Hindu and Muslims cant live together because of totally different views of Life. Hindu’s always tried to stab Pakistan and Muslims whenever they got any opportunity. just Read history, past with facts how during partition Pakistan was deprived of their legit land etc well its a huge topic to debate on but its all started by india and still india trying to oppress us as u can see the current situation now a days whatever whenever happen anything the blame goes to Pakistan without any reason while Pakistan never did that.

  49. tayab November 13, 2009 at 3:28 pm #

    We hate each others because we both are arrogant, selfish and materialistic. Allah has created us all and out duty is to be on right path without hurting fellow beings. But we fail to understand.

  50. Mohammad Yusha November 13, 2009 at 1:05 am #

    @Hend: Excellent points. Brilliant.

  51. Shakir Lakhani November 12, 2009 at 11:15 pm #

    Indians will never forgive Pakistanis for carving out a new country out of India. Ever since its inception, India has played the bully: invading Kashmir, Hyderabad and Junagadh, stopping the flow of river water into Pakistan, and creating Bangladesh (for which we’ll never forgive India).

  52. Hend November 12, 2009 at 9:41 pm #

    - Lack of maturity of ourselves
    - Allowing ourselves to be brainwashed
    - Being taught biased history and our unwillingness to unlearn
    - Our own fault in falling for propaganda by politicians and fundamentalist people again and again
    - Inability to understand, accept and appreciate each other
    - Inability to empathise
    - Overzealous nationalism, arrogance
    - Unwillingness to compromise
    - Greed
    - Wanting to dominate
    - Inability to accept opposite opinions
    - Historic events and their natural consequences
    - Absence of transformational leaders
    - Not ready to move on
    - Not ready to introspect and analyse ourselves
    - Not ready to change inspite of knowing we need to

    These are just some reasons.

  53. Mohammad Yusha November 12, 2009 at 7:59 pm #

    Thank you, Hamid.

  54. hamid November 12, 2009 at 3:13 pm #

    @yusha
    a very light way to express a problem dat usually lands us in trouble with each other…………wonderful

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