Kissing banned by LUMS

Kissing banned in Lums.jpgNow let me be clear about this (as Obama would say): I’ve got nothing against kissing, particularly if it’s between men and women. It’s the kissing of men by men that I find offensive, even if it’s done in months other than Ramadan. But the recent publicizing of a case in which a LUMS girl playfully pecked a boy’s cheek (when she thought no one was looking) has again generated adverse publicity for the country (something it could do without). So what happened? Another student hiding somewhere photographed the scene and distributed it throughout the world, which led to LUMS permanently banning kissing of boys by girls (and vice versa).

Of course, the fact that the incident took place during the month of fasting made it worse. You can’t kiss your boyfriend (or even your husband or brother) when you’re fasting, as all of us know. But suppose the two were not fasting? As I just said, they thought they were alone and no one could see what they were doing. I agree that kissing in public cannot be tolerated by the average Pakistani, who in any case is terribly disturbed whenever he sees a woman (especially if she’s not covered by a burqa).

However, I don’t mind it when a man kisses his wife or his daughter at the airport when one of them is leaving the country. That kind of thing happens all the time (sometimes even at railway stations). But LUMS should also have banned kissing between men and men (and also between girls and girls, since I assume there are some females who would find it terribly offensive). In the meantime I’m waiting for some Saudi/Waziristan mullah to issue a fatwa banning kissing between husbands and wives even when they’re alone in their bedrooms.

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56 Responses to Kissing banned by LUMS

  1. bittertruthpk December 4, 2012 at 3:34 am #

    [Noor 24:21] O People who Believe! Do not follow the footsteps of the devil; and whoever follows the footsteps of the devil – so he will only bid the indecent and the evil; and were it not for Allah’s munificence and His mercy upon you, none of you would ever become pure – but Allah purifies whomever He wills; and Allah is All Hearing, All Knowing.

    Thanks God we are mostly pure except these westernized intellectuals who are basically advocating that their sisters should be kissed fucked and raped behind pillars and empty classrooms during break time.

  2. Nasir December 2, 2012 at 12:18 am #

    Hi, I cannot believe that people consider kissing to be immoral. What two people do with each other is their business and nothing to be offended by. Even muslims and Pakistanis fall in love and it is an innocent thing to do, and this is a perfect example that Pakistan as a nation is making little progress in the world. If you don’t like public kissing, fine, don’t do it. However, if other people are doing it, and they want to, who gives anyone the right to stop them. Not everything prescribed by religious leaders makes sense and not everyone subscribes to religion anyway. If you are offended or if people kissing are doing something wrong, they are the ones who will rot in hell. People in Pakistan see the west as decadent, yet they go their in their droves, partly to get away from the draconian cultural regulations. I applaud the people who kiss in public in Pakistan. When I got married, I found it ridiculous that I could not even kiss the woman I had married and was in love with.

  3. reply buster July 21, 2011 at 10:56 pm #

    if kissing should be freely allowed on the premise that its a natural
    thing then why don’t you allow sex in public places as well.. after all
    we all were apes before and that is an even stronger instinct..

    shortsighted fools are those pseudo intellectuals who advocate such
    insanity

  4. Ali January 3, 2010 at 6:51 pm #

    All i can say reading this is terrible for us muslims….Never mind pakistan….being away from pakistan for some time now i realize that how we pakistanis think that we are bearing the burden of the whole muslimkind on our shoulders which obviously is not the case…
    We are hypocrite yes for sure and thatswhy we have reached to this point….we will criticize others and when oppurtunity comes we might as well do the same thing
    As for the original topic, its just not acceptable by religion to indulge in anykind of intimacy with a gher mehram girl without marriage but does anybody of us do that??
    I apologize from ALLAH(SWT) for my sins and hope he shows me the right path for the future to not indulge in anymore in life…Ameen….

    And stop criticizing others….

  5. zia December 17, 2009 at 2:57 pm #

    kissing should not ne baneded, it is the way to express love event betwean men and women, it naturil, so it should be free

  6. Mohamed November 28, 2009 at 9:06 pm #

    @ Gopinath:

    “I am a non-muslim who works in Saudi Arabia and in the last 2 decades I have realized that Muslims are the most hippocritic…”

    Thank you for your blanket compliment for all Muslims. I wonder what the Muslims, whose love seems to have got you to stick around for 2 decades would think if they had the opportunity to see your true colors of rancor and spite that you display here. Allow me an introduction as well, I am a Muslim, that has for over 2 decades dealt with people who spout hate.

    …they are prone to all the moral weakness of humans and yet proclaim loudly and ad nauseum about how their glorified prophet say this and that about everything from fornication to farting in public.

    What’s the contradiction between moral weakness and the teachings of our beloved Prophet may peace and blessings of God Almighty be on him. Did you find any teaching that claims Muslims do not have moral weakness? Or that Muslims are taught that it is not required to guard against moral weakness? What exactly do you find hypocritical in the teachings of the Prophet (PBUH)? I am eager to hear.

    Our beloved Prophet (PBUH) has taught every public and private etiquette that transformed the way the society lived in every little detail of life, does the Prophet’s (PBUH) teachings make you jealous of its comprehensiveness? Or is it gargantuan hatred? Allah SWT exposes this hatred in the Glorious Quran:

    … vehement hatred has already appeared from out of their mouths, and what their hearts conceal is far worse. We have made plain for you the revelations, if ye will understand.
    – Translation of the Glorious Qur’an

    …so stop spouting hadiths

    The Hadith are historical recordings of the sayings and actions of our beloved Prophet (PBUH), how does it hurt you if we practice our religion and follow his (PBUH) beautiful teachings?

    and try to smile once in a while

    We smile a lot, even at strangers. That’s because our beloved Prophet (PBUH) legislated:

    He also said: “Your smile for your brother is charity.”- Fiqh-us-Sunnah, Volume 3, Number 98

    … and so we do a lot of charity.

  7. Essam November 27, 2009 at 5:18 pm #

    Survival of the fittest!

    No morals, no laws or anything and NO reason to live.

    Gotta love this society.

  8. Gopinath November 27, 2009 at 4:39 am #

    Fahim, at least animals dont blow up each other in blind hatred because the other animal is different. Animals kill only to survive and feed their young. In my view they are better beings than hate filled believers who kill thinking that their God approves of this madness and will pour rewards over their sanctimonious souls.

  9. Essam November 26, 2009 at 9:55 pm #

    Gopinath: If i understand you right, you are saying that we should remove religion from our everyday work and live freely without any rules, restrictions or laws.

    Okay, so how are we any different from animals?

    And the reason why “we proclaim loudly and ad nauseum about how our glorified prophet say this and that about everything from fornication to farting in public”, is that his life is a perfect example for us to follow, if we want to become more human-like.

  10. FAHIM November 26, 2009 at 3:40 am #

    MOHAMAD SAHIB SIR PHIR HAR CHEEZ KO BAN KAR DO~!!!!!HAR INSAAN KA JEENA KHARAM KAR DO !!!! ZINDAGI KO BHI HELL SE BURI KAR DO

    PHELAY APNI BURIYIAN THEEK KARO AAP PHIR DOSSRON KO KAHO JANAB

  11. FAHIM November 26, 2009 at 3:34 am #

    GOPINATH BHAI !!!! MUSLIMS HAVE DAMAGED THEIR IMAGE DUE TO WRONG THINGS!!!!62 YRS SE YEAHI KUCH KAR RAHEE HAI !!!!JO CHEEZ SUNOO AUS KI INVESTIGATE KAR LO LEKIN HUM MUSLIMS KHUD KO KHUDA SAMHAJNAY LAGEIN HAIN !!! NAOZOBILLAH HUM SAMHAJTAY HAIN HUM SAHEEE HAIN BAKI NATIONS GHALT HAIN!!!! HAR CHEEZ KI HADEES BANA KAR SAMNAY LE AATAY HAIN!!!AUR KHAS TAUR PAY ULLEMA WOH ULLEMA JO ULLEMA NAHI LEKIN KHUD KO ULEEMA KAHELANAY MEIN UN KO KHUSHI MILTI HAIN AUR HUM MUSLIMAN AEISAY NA SAMHAJ LOGON KAY PEECHAY CHALAY JATAY HAIN!!! HUMHARAY BAS MEIN HO TUO HAR CHEEZ PAT FATWA LAGA DEIN !!!!AUR AGAR BAS MEIN HO AAJ KAY MUSLIMANON KAY TUO ES ZINDAGI PAY BHI FATWA LAGA DEIN JO HUM SPEND KAR RAHAY HAIN !!!!!FORGOD SAKE HAR CHEEZ BURI NAHI YAN KHARAM NAHI HAIN
    FOR GOD SAKE SAMJHO KUCH AUR AKAL KARO KHSA TAUR PAY AJ KAL ULLEMA

  12. Gopinath November 25, 2009 at 3:42 pm #

    I am a non-muslim who works in Saudi Arabia and in the last 2 decades I have realized that Muslims are the most hippocritic of all because they are prone to all the moral weakness of humans and yet proclaim loudly and ad nauseum about how their glorified prophet say this and that about everything from fornication to farting in public. You are just humans like everybody else so stop spouting hadiths and try to smile once in a while

  13. mobitunes November 18, 2009 at 8:12 pm #

    its a intrersting banning

  14. Shakir Lakhani November 15, 2009 at 10:16 pm #

    Yusha: “As for Muslims, they don’t take a bath altogether.” What’s this supposed to mean?

  15. Mohamed November 15, 2009 at 8:04 pm #

    Kissing is an immodest act either in public or out of the bonds of marriage. It is not for a Muslimeen to indulge in such, in violation of that which Allah SWT & his messenger SAWS have decreed. Nor is it justified for anyone to publish such pictures, because Allah has decreed:

    Allah loveth not that evil should be noised abroad in public speech, except where injustice hath been done; for Allah is He who heareth and knoweth all things.”
    – Translation of the Glorious Qur’an 4:148

    The matter should be brought to the notice of the relevant authorities, instead of publicising it. This is the correct Islamic position.

  16. Mohammad Yusha November 15, 2009 at 6:50 pm #

    In the seventh century I’m sure they used something to clean the body. With the availability of soap today, it doesn’t make sense to avoid using it, not just by mullahs but many Hindus, Christians, Sikhs etc. As for Muslims, they don’t take a bath altogether.

  17. Shakir Lakhani November 15, 2009 at 12:40 pm #

    Yusha: “Just take a bath daily with soap.” I don’t remember reading about anyone in the seventh century using soap.

  18. Ice Awan November 15, 2009 at 12:08 pm #

    Totally misinterpreted i believe. For starters, i am not in any way patronizing any individual. My bros, who would hate these make believe, self styled MULLAHs than those who have actually fought against this disease.
    Now coming to the lvl of Eeman. I was just highlighting the fact that where there is no doubt that to Judge what lvl of eeman an indl has lies totally in the domain of Allah Almighty, nevertheless, he did explain it for us the lvls of eeman. Why would the same be explained to us if there was no need. There is a need. The need for us to understand and not judge others, but judge ourselves …. the reason i brought it out was not to judge anyone else … but only to rekindle the fact we have to judge our lvl of eeman ourselves bro.
    There is absolutely no justifications regarding things that Allah has forbidden for us as Muslims. And we need to Mullah, or Mufti to tell it to us.

  19. Mohammad Yusha November 15, 2009 at 4:40 am #

    It depends on who the mullah is. Some are very nice while others preach the most ridiculous garbage possible.

  20. Lt. General Ayub Khan November 15, 2009 at 4:11 am #

    im not anti mullah though

    that must be clear

    Pakistanis love other Pakistanis….

  21. Mohammad Yusha November 15, 2009 at 4:02 am #

    Many don’t take a bath daily and those who do don’t use soap for some reason. There should be no need for anyone to wear deodorant. Just take a bath daily with soap.

  22. Lt. General Ayub Khan November 15, 2009 at 3:06 am #

    investigative reporters should find out why many of those mullahs who judge others –why they smell bad and dont wear deodorant

  23. FAHIM November 15, 2009 at 12:12 am #

    HELLO ALL OF TOHSE WHO ARE MAKING ISLAM “A JOKE” PLEASE GROW UP !!!! GROW UP PLEASE FOR GOD SAKe

  24. FAHIM November 15, 2009 at 12:10 am #

    THE PERSON WHO DISTRIBUTED THE PICTURE IS ” GUILTY” I AGREED WITH MAHRU AND OTHERS EXCEPT THE PERSON ” SHAKIR LAKHANI JIN KO HAR EK SE TAQLEEF HOTI HAI !!! MALOOM NAHI KYON ?

    BUT IN MY POINT OF VIEW MOST OF THE MULLAS ARE THOSE WHO DONT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ISLAM AND I HAVE SEEN THIS!!!!SO DONT JUDGE ANYONE ITS ALLAH WHO JUDGE HIS CREATIONS

  25. Mohammad Yusha November 14, 2009 at 10:29 pm #

    @Ice Awan: What doe Islam say about disgracing someone by taking such a picture and distributing it? General is correct. The girl who distributed the picture is a loser. Also, please avoid telling other people which level of eman they are at. That is for Allah SWT to judge.

  26. Ice Awan November 14, 2009 at 10:09 pm #

    We are a nation torn between the desire to keep our identity as Muslims and also to reckon ourselves in the eyes of the west (all in the name of being modern). In the name of modernity, we have been stormed by the likes of what we could neither fathom, not comprehend. Thus, arises the issues as in hand here.

    The vacillating nature of our beliefs have made us draw our own bottom lines as to what is allowed and not allowed in our (version) religion. And the sad part is that we do it as per our understanding, likes and dislikes. With absolutely no knowledge of what Islam really says about the subject, we just simply let our own perception rule and then try to twist and bend whatever we do know about our religion to suit our version. Just as the GENERAL SAAB has so aptly pointed out and i QUOTE HERE:-
    “I’ve been to UK and US where it is a more common sight. It never bothers me, and I don’t even look.”
    Interesting isn’t. Now if we try and contest his statement here, we’d probably be hailed as ‘narrow minded, backward’ and so on and so forth. With all due respect general saab, the reason why anything like this does not bother you is because u are even below the lowest ebb of ‘Eeman’, where you have even lost the capacity or the common capability to ‘CONSIDER A SIN, A SIN’. I surely don’t need to quote the authenticity of what i am referring to here. I am sure we all are aware of the ‘Degrees Eeman as described by the Almighty Allah and His last Prophet, Hazrat Muhammad (SAW).
    In the mind of the General, the person who brought this case to light is a loser.
    Think again General,…… who is the REAL LOSER here 😀

    I REST MY CASE…..

  27. Mohammad Yusha November 14, 2009 at 7:14 pm #

    PDAs also bother westerners. Many people do it in your face so that you notice them. Whether these people are plain sad or suffer from an inferiority complex is something I cannot tell.

  28. Shakir Lakhani November 14, 2009 at 3:46 pm #

    @ General: it was a girl who took the picture (obviously someone very frustrated-maybe she was affected by black magic!).

  29. Shakir Lakhani November 14, 2009 at 3:44 pm #

    @ General: if you tell an ignorant mullah that it doesn’t bother you if boys and girls kiss in public, his reaction will be, “Today you allow them to kiss in public, tomorrow they’ll want to do something worse!”

  30. Mohammad Yusha November 14, 2009 at 12:39 am #

    I hate PDAs more than anyone else but to take someone’s picture and distribute it is outrageous. The what is it to us attitude from the public is what gives some people the courage to commit crimes.

  31. Essam November 14, 2009 at 12:30 am #

    @Shakir: If i know and have studied my religion well and understand what is right/wrong and can make wise decisions in respect of Islamic teachings, i don’t have to listen to any damn mullah’s that pop up every now and then. And i don’t care where they are from, make it Waziristan or Saudia Arabia.

    In short, know your religion so you don’t have to listen to whatever mullah’s say.

  32. Lt. General Ayub Khan November 14, 2009 at 12:15 am #

    i feel more sorry for the person with the mobile camera, who obviously didnt have better things to do with his/her time

    what a loser

  33. Lt. General Ayub Khan November 14, 2009 at 12:14 am #

    in the end, what is it to us?????

    really…..

    I wouldnt want any of my kin engaging in public diplays of affection. I’ve been to UK and US where it is a more common sight. It never bothers me, and I don’t even look.

    Pakistanis need to learn to just do the damn same. Worry about your OWN problems!!!

  34. Mohammad Yusha November 14, 2009 at 12:14 am #

    No one does it for publicity, or to bring shame on their families. This is because not everyone thinks that some dog will take their picture and distribute it everywhere. Please realize that not only is it morally wrong but a heinous sin to disgrace someone by distributing such pictures.

  35. Shakir Lakhani November 13, 2009 at 11:44 pm #

    @ Essam: a Waziristan mullah will tell you that it’s haraam for a woman to come within ten feet of a non-mehram. Even to say “wa alaikum salaam” on the phone to a non-mehram is haraam. Which means that women can’t travel in buses or aeroplanes. And that is why they keep their women locked up and they shoot their wives for looking out of the windows of their houses.

  36. Mr hawk November 13, 2009 at 11:44 pm #

    if my sister do this kind of thing in public its mean she also want publicity, then if any body take her pitcher what can i do.

    secong thing mostly those people do this kind of thing who want to ashamed their families, those person who have little sense never do kiss in open place.

    sorry for my bad englsih :)

  37. Mohammad Yusha November 13, 2009 at 9:52 pm #

    How about disgrace for the girl and negative publicity of the country. Would you have asked me the same question if the girl in picture was your sister?

  38. Mr hawk November 13, 2009 at 11:29 am #

    well if they don’t like that their pitcher is distributes, they must kiss in privacy.

    Any person do anything open air, its simple mean he want that people see him, if some one take image & distribute then wht is problem.

  39. Essam November 13, 2009 at 4:16 am #

    @Shakir: Here is one source that i just googled, http://www.islamonline.net/english/ramadan/1421/fiqh/fiqh37.shtml

    BTW, kissing a “non-mehram” man/woman (opposite sexes) IS HARAAM.

    And wow i can’t believe this small issue is getting so much attention. Its like our lives are incomplete after this ban.

  40. Mohammad Yusha November 13, 2009 at 12:02 am #

    Please read the post properly. The point is not that he took the picture but that he distributed it.

  41. Mr hawk November 12, 2009 at 11:40 pm #

    before kissing u must cheak ur environment bcz camera is every where.

    (The person who took the pictures and distributed them is a criminal and should be punished severely.)

    i dont think so if its free that 2 people kissing in public, then its also free that 3rd person can take their photo. if the kissing couple dont like it, then must go in the room for kissing.

  42. Mohammad Yusha November 11, 2009 at 7:22 pm #

    The person who took the pictures and distributed them is a criminal and should be punished severely.

  43. Dr. Sajid Rabiehz November 11, 2009 at 11:54 am #

    That act was encourged by such photography. We should decide to adopt such society where hundreds and thousands illegal abortion and pregnancies take place daily OR adopt a rule of ethics and way of humanity where boys and girls make an Moral Agreement (NIKKAH) and enjoy their lives. This is the biggest differance between humans and animal. West started his personal freedom from KISSING and now they have reach at a point of admitted danger for society.

  44. Lt. General Ayub Khan November 5, 2009 at 12:52 am #

    at the same rate —- Burqa should also be banned in Pakistan

  45. Lt. General Ayub Khan November 5, 2009 at 12:51 am #

    i think greeting eachother by kissing on the cheeks is okay……it’s done in other countries (Islamic and un-Islamic)

    kissing on the lips shouldnt be done in public…..ive seen it done in other countries, but never seen it done in Pakistan before….at least not out in the open

  46. Shakir Lakhani November 5, 2009 at 12:10 am #

    @ zaini: please provide the source which says that a husband can kiss his wife while fasting.

  47. zaini November 4, 2009 at 9:27 pm #

    first of all a husband can kiss his wife while fasting and if u don’t believe me go search the intenet u will find stuff that you need to know before talking all that crap……
    plus I agree with Mahru and also with Sharir on the point of proof
    ” what does Islam and morality hold about the ’student’ who took their picture??? ”
    u raised a very good point
    you guys are so right and for those who think mulahhs are right come on man these are those ppl who say “falla ki yeh film na dekhein she did this in that movie” hellooooooooo you have to see it urself first in order to tell other what the person did or what not so in this time and these days we just can’t believe anyone we need to search for ourself ppl

  48. Madi November 3, 2009 at 6:37 pm #

    @ shakir
    ” but whose minds have been moulded by the mullahs. ”

    i don’t agree wid dis point as i think there are many men in our country who widout being influenced by any mullah, leading a modern life, highly educated n doesn’t like 2 follow any religious act have da same mentality n attitude

  49. Madi November 3, 2009 at 6:32 pm #

    @ shaista
    ” what does Islam and morality hold about the ’student’ who took their picture??? ”
    u raised a very good point

    @ mehru
    i think either u travel by car alot or u don’t communicate wid Pakistani men much
    the statement
    ” the average Pakistani, who in any case is terribly disturbed whenever he sees a woman (especially if she’s not covered by a burqa). ”
    is da perfect description of da Pakistani men’s mentality
    shakir is 100 % right b practical n try 2 have tolerance 2 accept da fact

  50. shaista October 22, 2009 at 3:30 pm #

    “average Pakistani, who in any case is terribly disturbed whenever he sees a woman (especially if she’s not covered by a burqa)”. i agree with shakir on this. @ mahru: where do you live??

    what does Islam and morality hold about the ‘student’ who took their picture???—“Another student hiding somewhere photographed the scene and distributed it throughout the world”

  51. tayab October 20, 2009 at 3:38 pm #

    I agree with Mahru and also with Sharir on the point of proof. We all are influenced by bad/worong expamples and we need to question our own actions and correct it in light of Alla’s commandments. If we follow, misguided scholars/mullahs it will be our own loss.

  52. Hamid Majid Abbasi October 20, 2009 at 12:11 pm #

    @SHAKIR
    d comment isnt for u

  53. Shakir Lakhani October 20, 2009 at 9:41 am #

    @ mahru: you don’t have to pay for my ticket, I live in Pakistan and have lived here all my life and I know what the “average” Pakistani thinks about women. Note the word “average”, which means the 80% men (some of whom may even be literate), but whose minds have been moulded by the mullahs. Just read the daily newspapers, almost daily you come across stories of men killing their wives or sisters for having affairs (without proof).
    @ Hamid: read the above and ponder upon it.

  54. Hamid Majid Abbasi October 19, 2009 at 11:30 pm #

    @mehru
    “pakistani guys feel distrubed when they see a women???”
    sounds like pamela has touched down in lahore?
    pathetic

  55. mahru October 19, 2009 at 10:51 pm #

    little knowlegge is dangrous.in your case its hazrdeous.
    like why point fingers when you dont a effing thing about others religion.pakistani guys feel distrubed when they see a women???
    come to pakistan once ,see how we actually practise our religion and shut your yapping mouth till then.
    and btw i will be willing to pay for your ticket since immaturity and ignorance is hated every one.

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